[Kbi-webcivics] {Disarmed} Re: [IA - members] Secretary-General Appoints High-Level Panel on Digital Cooperation | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

Mon Jul 16 15:13:22 AEST 2018

(apologies if its' a bit of a rant - typing it - is helping to orientate me)

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 13:27 Narelle Clark <narellec at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> There is one Aussie, but I don't think he's been here for years (dual UK
> based in South Africa). It would be good to touch base and get a meet up
> should he make it here, though.
>

I think the US/China leadership thing is quite strategic.  It would be
great to meet the Australian man noted to be involved.  I wonder how
CivicUS is similar in any way to my works on WebCivics...   Interestingly:
https://www.trustfactory.net/ is part of https://www.isolvtech.com/ which
is based in SA. Which is a bit different to the local version...

 they do a bunch of stuff around 'plausible deniability' which is always
interesting ;)

>
> cheers
>
> Narelle
>
>
MY LONGER RESPONSE

Thoughts;

[image: trust.jpg]

It is most important solutions are defined rapidly. I think waiting for
people to catch-up, isn't going to help them. I hope we can continue to
pursue leadership in Australia but not at the cost of ensuring a
well-formed solution is made available in a timely manner.

In Vint's recent presentation in Australia (perhaps in future - an
announcement to members might be made as to ensure the opportunity to know
these things are on); Vint remarked,

“We have a big problem – I call it the digital dark age – in that we don’t
curate our digital content with much care until we realise its too late. So
I’m a big fan of trying to create and preserve data, to assure ourselves
that digital content can be moved from one medium to another – that we are
able to preserve software. Creating a sophisticated regime for curating,
preserving and accessing our data is just as important as preserving the
original bits of data.”
source:
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/internet-past-and-present-vint-cerf-conversation-toby-walsh

Negotiating the validity of Universal Human Rights (
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ ); where those rights may be
appropriated or denied by way of new medium - as to render meaningful
service to proprietary commercial interests of a party (ie: rent-seeking
behaviours) isn't something to be entertained lightly; One might place bets
on the manifest characteristics through which the qualities of a mediums
characteristics to maintain good data-hygiene in some areas; and be allowed
to deteriorate in others, will continue to manifest, without good advocacy
support - enabling the means to discern the intricacies of good policy vs.
old ones, in our emergent 'knowledge economy'.

Societies and their systems of government need verifiable claims - imagine
an agenda that wilfully sought to undermine the social purpose of a
court-room. Imagine being subjugated for seeking to protect the relevance
of a court of law. Maybe South Africa will be more progressive in these
areas than we are... maybe we're simply not equipped.

If we're planning for a society that in a realm of dynamic data - is sought
to rely upon a basis of hear-say, due to a decline of available options,
perhaps the intended representation is that people don't really need
courts... these sorts of facetious objects are not entirely without
merit... When i was preparing for the TF conference, Anni was curating her
WebScience conference (held in Canberra) around the concept of getting
people to 'wake up'. (
https://www.thinknpc.org/publications/represents-human-digital-age/ )

I think if we're able to step it up, get the right framework of leadership
support as required for international engagement, international leadership;
a framework that can be engaged and relied upon in a manner that has both
funding and momentum; we might have a chance...

IMHO - It is NOT going to work is otherwise gainfully employed persons
(including but not exclusive to academics) wait until the risk-profile
lowers as to raise an internal project, off the back of the work done by
unpaid volunteers...

It's impossible to parse the knowledge amassed by 'thought leaders'...
Things need to be done today, like updating the 'how to build a solid App'
hello world documents available https://github.com/solid/ to support those
working http://gitter.im/solid/ | whose work is spoken about (to some
degree)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-man-who-created-the-world-wide-web-has-some-regrets
|
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/06/28/how-to-fix-what-has-gone-wrong-with-the-internet
| and as far as almost anyone knows,

There are no Australians involved in that project. I think TimBL might be
in AU soon? But that's hear-say... either-way, i'd prefer to see a greater
investment made into AU leadership in this knowledge economy area. I read a
big investment in this area was recently made:
https://www.themandarin.com.au/95308-australian-government-and-big-blue-mint-1-billion-advanced-technologies-deal/
To which whilst i have concerns about the sociological lock-ins, some of
these decisions may bring about by way of how information management
systems are designed to be mandatorily used - talking to myself ain't going
to help... indeed, even when influences are made, without recognition for
contributions - without good provenance systems in place - the underlying
foundations used to build these 'knowledge economy ecosystems' are still
broken. It changes the nature of the debate, from an Australia where
universal income needs to be factored into their design decisions; where
changes to health-policy to rationalise whether a royal commission into
health (particularly mental health) services is cheaper / better than
considering the impact to the reality of services provided as medicare
fails to meet the needs of good doctors and patients who need clinicians
who take an interest in them; more than the person managing the automatic
check-out machine at the local super market.

Choices are being made - i see very little conversation about it. I think
this illustrates clearly - something is very wrong.

IMHO - It is imperative for all commercial undertakings that a binding
commitments to human rights by way of an open forum, the means to make use
of appropriate infrastructure such as IETF (whilst it would be nice if they
supported RDF) as to ensure a commercially agnostic & non-binding info
sphere environment for socioeconomic support of life (and the natural
world). It is my opinion one of the very few means to do this in a manner
that works with government, but is not bound to the obligations of a
government department to defend its position where the needs of government
(inc. "rule of law", security, tax & revenue protection) are at odds to the
needs of the people, of citizens. Sometimes the problem is about the
behaviours of an agent, sometimes its the nuances of an actor

Some help with
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xKHONGoepiq29r7NMB9T6yd6kPcfWY2JsaDzK6OqnHE/edit?usp=sharing
would be useful. i think it needs to be broken down into a memorandum or
introductory document; followed by the SIG TOR & perhaps a 3rd elements
about working-group objects? not sure.

It's progressed a bit from the 2013 document:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_-AWWDVv3V2SVpVR3E4T1hETlE/view?usp=sharing

(which might help others with background) and is less dense than explaining
the theoretical (and provenance, from 2000) relationship with
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-consciousness/#3.2

So, FWIW: I think its important to get the TOR done, before starting a
conversation with the banking sector about machine readable itemised tax
receipts; or other potential scopes of work, that i think are all quite
important and extremely complex.

Meanwhile - i'm still of the thought that speaking about ensuring UHD Sport
is delivered freely to 'consumers' is an easier way to get people thinking
about the relationship between their homes and families; and data. This is
in-turn saying - let arrogance, of operators, be considered immutable -
'long live consumers' (not that they really think, what that accolade made
for a pay-packet actually means in areas beyond their field of expertise,
like health. perhaps media people think medical people are happy to
subjugate themselves because they are expected to live by a different set
of moral rules - perhaps they don't understand the pressures put upon
them...)

I have stated very clearly over many years (sadly in past, to deaf ears)
that ISOC-AU is the place to start making significant progress on these
issues. I am pleased new energy has started to grow, but it is very
fragile... These works don't do themselves, people need to wake-up, ISOC-AU
needs to improve its collaboration environment pronto.  Honestly, atm, i'm
really not sure how to fund it.  which is troubling me.   It is alot easier
to send a series of issues / problem statements '/ high-level solutions, to
others overseas who are funded to do the work involved in getting
work-product done.  Indeed also, in an environment where there is a severe
drought of appropriately supported resources - its actually better to do
things that way...   But it distorts the market.  It makes people think,
less energy is expended than is real; it does not proportionately
illustrate a value-matrix around work-product; it distorts it, which leads
to reliability / security issues.  A bunch of major websites, and the ones
made before them had no revenue or moreover certainly - not enough.  The
investments made led to
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1bHmB8_f7ASRHm97TwhZmmEQnTKU -
noting the distinction between those developed in the floppy disk age - vs.
those that developed as online data storage became a thing --> in this next
envisaged shift - i'd like to see how the Australian Banking Sector remains
a local industry.  I would like to ensure the definition of a great many
things, remain local.  it seems others also have concerns:
http://about.abc.net.au/speeches/an-abc-fit-for-the-future/

But perhaps these works need to uplift themselves, out of the gutter.  I'm
not entirely sure what to do next.  Am very interested in more help.
https://doodle.com/poll/idt7tyxwcpugkdha should help - I've also created a
new invite link for the WebCivics Slack set-up:
https://join.slack.com/t/webcivics/shared_invite/enQtMzk5MDA2NTMyMDk4LTU0OGQzMGI1ZGIzODBiMDBjYmMzNDRkMmE1ODI0YzBiNTdmMzY2MGQ3NDNlYzhkYzU1OTU3NjMzYmU5YjY1ZTc

Cheers,

Tim.

>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:57 PM Timothy Holborn via members <
> members at lists.internet.org.au> wrote:
>
>> FYI: https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sga1817.doc.htm
>>
>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/UNSGdigicoop
>>
>> (Noting implicitly therein;
>> https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/metadata/?Text=&Goal=16&Target=16.9 )
>>
>> Do we know if any Aussies are involved?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim.
>>
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> Narelle
> narellec at gmail.com
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